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Orange County Business Attorney - Valerie L. Kramer
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About 8 or 9 weeks back I referred my new business partner to attorney Valerie at Orange County Business Lawyer. He and I agreed, based on my decades of not-so-wonderful real life experience in the world of setting up a few businesses that we should do it right - this time. Since I am going to be the working person in this new business --not the office and paperwork guy (thank heavens)-- I insisted he go see an incorporation attorney. He did. He met with her, got schooled in all the ins and outs of keeping the new entity in good standing with the Feds and the State of Calif., and the whole process was only a couple hundred dollars more than the times I did it using places like LegalZoom and some other outfit that predated legalzoom. In my experience, these discount paper mills get the job done, but they don;t really help you decide if you want an standard corp, and S-Corp or maybe an LLC. I've had all three in the past decades, but couldn't really tell you if they were the right choice, of if they saved me tax money. I wanted us to get 411 on how to manage whatever version of entity we ended up with this go-round -- what to do, what not to do, what postcards and letters to be on the watch for (and not to put said postcards and letters in the "get to it later" pile).
The new be considered what a Legal Zoom incorporation cost me by me not getting the long sit-down talk from an attorney, and not getting emails and notices from the attorney to remind me be careful of all the details I should not miss or put off. My old ways cost me. Serious bucks.
Just in the past 5 years, TWICE I either missed the stupid postcard, or shelved it for later (as the "do by this date" seems so far out). It was a post card from the secretary of state or some other government department about "Statement of Information." Essentially the State of California wanted me EVERY YEAR to pay them $25 and send in some form I could would have to find and download from the Internet that says (as it tured out), that "nothing has changed." Like I said, 2 years in the past 4 or 5 I MISSED doing that. The penalty? $250 each time.. THAT letter gets ones attention... Then I do it. 10 times the original cost of the already absurd $25 filing fee! So mad at myself. Twice. Which is my point and the reason I will sit here for a half hour and share my story with the world. There was other stuff. Stuff I was too busy to address. Even more embarasing in how much it cost me. Stupid stuff. I am just not a details guy. A business needs a details person.
Anyway, the worse stuff was that I incorporated in the old days in order to "be operating as a real business," and in order to open a business checking account. Got to have that government document to open a legitimate business bank account. That was my driving motivation. The first year of one of my two Legal Zoom companies, since that business was more a hobby getting more serious but I didn't really make any money to speak of, I didn't file corporate tax returns with the IRS or the state. That cost me. Big time. So, yeah, I found Valerie on line, called her office. A staffer researched the name we wanted, and it was available, so I sent my buddy (the details half) over to get the corporation set up. It is LIVE, the bank accounts set up, and we are busy as can be -- more than a hobby this time. This time (hopefully) we'll be staying out of trouble and under the radar of the expensive bureaucrats who keep tabs on silly things like filing dates for stupid post cards and obnoxious tax returns and the like.
My advice? Do it right. Hire a lawyer. Pay a couple hundred more and take notes during your meetings.
Of course I had hear of it and that must be the basis for all the daytime court shows on TV, but never thought I'd experience it. I am in my car in the parking lot of the County of LA's Recorder's office in Norwalk. Just as he told me, the process was simple, fast and cheap. I even arranged for the sheriff to serve the summons.
After talking to Mr. Bennett I did call 2 more law firms and the one, who did active collections on a paid fee basis echoed his suggestion about the amount I am owed, but literally hung up on me once he determined I wasn't a client he was interested it, and the 3rd law firm did collections on contingency but the process was such a cookie cutter process with no real commitment to what might happen on my case when, and no promise to file suit (which is what this deadbeat is going to have to see before he takes me seriously), and finally their huge cut of any monies collected PLUS fees. OMG, don't get me started.
So here I am. While I never talked to the attorney at OC Business Lawyers, the staff was so nice, patient and helpful they shared all the necessary steps, pointed me to the online resources, the forms for me to fill out, where to file, what to expect and like I said, here I am, in control of my own destiny and if I get a judgment and still my debtor refuses to pay me they asked me to call back again to see if they can help me collect or point me to resources that can assist me levying payment. Kudos